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there are 2 of thses fav charaters, but i like Tom Bombadil alot
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Tourin Tourambar, Radagast was:"a worthy Wizard, a master of shapes; and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends." Gandalf met him in The Fellowship
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Tourin Tourabar! Sorry for the spelling mistake!
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My favourite's are the Nazgul, because of their darkness and mystery which hides beyond the hood. I also like Radagast, Eowyn and Eomer, Polar Bear from LETTERS, Gwaihir the Windlord and Haldir. But I think that during the years the list will change and develop.
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Of course I know who was Radagast,but thx anyway......
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TwoTreesofValinor wrote:there are 2 of thses fav charaters, but i like Tom Bombadil alot I also like Tom He seems deceptively simple and easily amused with singing and dancing yet there is a hidden power and knowledge He is one of the oldest beings, spirits of Middle Earth. Also He is not concerned with the outside world all he is really interested in is his own little patch the old forest he lives in and of course his love for Goldberry. Roger
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My fev is.... Faramir, but from book of course. And also I like Eomer, especially when he talk with Gimli - I love that moment.
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Lothirien, you mean for example this moment: "I would cut off your head dwarf..."?
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Quote:I have to say that after 20 years of reading the Silm, whether Gil galad as Fingons son was ''only'' an invention of CT, makes not a blind bit of difference to me. Incidentally this was not an invention by Christopher Tolkien, but comes from a note by JRRT to The Grey Annals. However: 'But this, adopted after much hesitation, was not in fact by any means the last of my father's speculations on this question.' Christopher Tolkien would later explain: 'Much closer analysis of the admittedly complex material that I had made twenty years ago makes it clear that Gil-galad as the son of Fingon (see XI. 56, 243) was an ephemeral idea.'Tolkien's last word on the subject had Gil-galad as the son of Arothir (Orodreth) and grandson of Angrod. Christopher Tolkien explained his reason for not going with Tolkien's last word in the 1977 Silmarillion -- the existing narratives were still based on older conceptions -- but noted in any case: 'It would nonetheless have been very much better to have left Gil-galad's parentage obscure.'Note that in the relatively recently published The Children of Hurin, Gil-galad does not appear in the family tree.
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I am not sure to what extent CJRT perceived in 1977 the 'waves' that his publishing of the Silmarillion would create. However, as he clearly points out in his Introduction to 'The Book of Lost Tales 1', it seems external forces compelled him to make available the rest of the unpublished materials of his father. The point is clearly illustrated with LotR and the accompanying HoMe books. How many, though admirers of the LotR at its first publication, were interested in the way it was developed? I believe most were happy with the result without having to worry about the false starts and different ideas, later dropped. If 'The Silmarillion' would have stood on its own, with no UT or HoMe to keep it company, it would have made very little difference whose son Gil-galad is because the only version available is the correct one. As the tale goes, probably CJRT would have composed a different Silmarillion if he had known of the increased public interest beforehand.
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Interesting, Galin, I never noticed that Gil-galad wasn't on that tree, while his sister Finduilas was. Though Gil-galad would hardly have been very old at the time... It would surprise me if he had yet reached ten years old. Wasn't he still a babe in arms when he was sent to Cirdan for safekeeping?
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favourite tolkien character? ULMO!!!
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Aeglos wrote:Interesting, Galin, I never noticed that Gil-galad wasn't on that tree, while his sister Finduilas was. Though Gil-galad would hardly have been very old at the time... It would surprise me if he had yet reached ten years old. Wasn't he still a babe in arms when he was sent to Cirdan for safekeeping? Hmm, if we merge Silmarillion with The Grey Annals, Fingon's 'young son' went to the havens in the year 456, and Túrin was born nine years later in 465, so he is older than Túrin in any case. A note of 1965 seems to point to a different chronology -- or at least it might. Here Gil-galad becomes the son of Orodreth, and: 'Rodnor Gil-galad escaped and eventually came to Sirion's Mouth and was King of the Noldor there', and in the last of the genealogical tables there is another note that 'he escaped and dwelt at Sirion's Mouth.'In any case (to clarify), the family tree in The Children of Húrin still reflects the 1977 Silmarillion, but is lacking Gil-galad -- noting that in the former, Orodreth is again Angrod's brother, not his son.
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this discussion about family trees and relationships is quite interesting.
during the time i first read the HoME (which by the way will be published as a new hardcover edtion by HarperCollins in march) and other Tolkien-works i created some family trees of my own (one for the Eldar, one for the Edain, one for Numenor and one for the Third Age (including Arnor/Rohan/Dol Amroth/Stewards).
but they are xls-files or pdf-files. i would like to share them (i had nearly forgotten that i once made them) so that we maybe could discuss them (within a new topic).
does anyone know how to upload pdf's or how to make them into pictures which can be uploaded???
by the way: in my own edition of the familiy trees Orodreth is son of Angrod and Edhellos and his children are Gil-galad and Finduilas.
unfortunately i'm currently not able to look up my sources because i'm on a skiing trip in western austria, but i'll do the following weekend when i'm back at home
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I might try to help you on this matter. I can't really say how to convert them to photos, but I have a lot of time now (exams are over!), so you might send them to me by email and I'll upload them as soon as I convert them (which will not take long). EDIT: I thought better: since it was your idea, I would email the photos back to you to post them yourself. It seems fairer like that.
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Funny you're interested in family trees, Telco, so am I. I did research a while ago into how Gil-galad was related to people like Arwen and Galadriel, and even people like Aragorn and Turin Turambar.
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thanks for your kind offer John. i will send you the documents within the next hours or so.
but please make sure that really all your other work is done, and especially your exams are completely finished before you spend time on converting them - they can wait.
and Aeglos, we can hopefully have an interesting discussion about all matters concerning those family trees when i post them. and the relationships you mentioned can all be seen.
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Thank you for your concerns, telco. As a matter of fact, at the time of my writing this, the work has been done. And trust me, telco has created some amazing documents. I was fortunate to be the first to see them, but I really hope we'll be able to make interesting discussions based on them once they are posted. I shall have to take up HoMe again for that, though. :)
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all other things concerning my family trees/tables can now be discussed in a new topic !
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"the invention of languages is the foundation. the 'stories' were made rather to provide a world for the languages than the reverse" JRRT
"...The Silmarillion was not intended to be a historical book, but a novel where the different tales become legendary and not ordinary. Knowing it does not mean being aware of the actions of coutless people from the past, but understanding the superb imagination of only one writer, reflected through the deeds of these heroes. ... Those who criticize it ... stumble on words, whithout having the power to understand and appreciate this splendid work of J.R.R.Tolkien" John Wain
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Now that this topic has come back to its original purpose, I'll go on with my favourite character. This undoubtedly is Fingolfin, as I have said many times before. It is however difficult to pinpoint one only, and this is thanks to the depth of the world of Tolkien and all the relations between the different characters, which show complex personalities and different traits that one might like or dislike. This happens clearly with Turin, for instance: while I don't especially like him, there are certain things I admire in him - his courage, his pride, etc. Again it shows what a wonderful author JRR Tolkien was!
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